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| DELL-ToddM | Hello all | |
| DELL-ScottH | Hello all !! | |
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| DELL-ToddM | Hello jingle2 | |
| jingle2 | Howdy | |
| DELL-ToddM | Hey Kent | |
| DELL-ScottH | hey everybody | |
| DELL-KentS | Good Afternoon | |
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| DELL-ScottH | hello robby | |
| DELL-ScottH | hello damien | |
| Robby_Pearson | Hey | |
| damien | Howdy | |
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| DELL-ScottH | waiting a few minutes to start, but in the meantime if you want to intro yourself and bring up any topics for discussion, that would help | |
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| Robby_Pearson | Well, I am Robby Pearson and work for a construction firm. We are a Novell shop and are looking into some different client management ideas. | |
| Robby_Pearson | I have recently setup a Vm and am trying the Dell Client Manager | |
| DELL-ScottH | Did you find our Dcm page here ? | |
| Robby_Pearson | Yea | |
| Robby_Pearson | It helped a lot since I have been waiting to hear back from an Altiris rep | |
| Robby_Pearson | I watched the little video | |
| Robby_Pearson | And followed along with some of the steps | |
| DELL-ScottH | not really my speciality, but I can put you in touch with the right people if they don't join today | |
| Robby_Pearson | If this isn't the right fit for us I also need ideas for some other possible products we might heads toward, ideally something that would touch imaging as well | |
| Robby_Pearson | Its tough since we are Novell and don't have a domain controller, seems like Ad is our next step possibly | |
| DELL-ScottH | That should be a fun project, the guys on the Windows Server page here can help out quite a bit with Ad rollout | |
| DELL-ScottH | damien, anything on your mind ? | |
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| DELL-ScottH | hello tagamet | |
| tagamet | Hi there | |
| damien | I'm working with about 20 Windows servers. I'm fairly new at systems administration (within my first 6 months), and I'm looking for a way to quickly be able to view that status of all the servers under my control. | |
| damien | Not sure if I'm in the right place for something like that ;) | |
| DELL-ScottH | I think we can help with that ... have you navigated the site much ? ... | |
| damien | No, this is really the first time I've been on the site. | |
| DELL-ScottH | don't click on these links yet, it will kick you out of the chat ..... You can right click to open in new broswer | |
| DELL-ScottH | start with this page -- http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/openmanage+systems+management | |
| DELL-ScottH | it will help explain all the acronyms I am about to spit out | |
| damien | Thanks | |
| DELL-ScottH | On each server you will want to install Omsa .. | |
| DELL-ScottH | this will allow you to point a browser to the server and do hardware administration and setup some alerts | |
| DELL-ScottH | for a central alert portal , you will need to install Ita on a server that can be the collection point for alerts from the servers ... this can be a regular server, or some people run it in a Vm | |
| DELL-ScottH | There are some demos on this site that will help you setup the infrastructure and get a base understanding .... | |
| DELL-ScottH | http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/openmanage+demos | |
| tagamet | Hi guys, I'm not sure how/when it's ok to ask a question here. Is there a line? Or do we just fire away... thanks | |
| DELL-ScottH | There's also some Enterprise Support Tutorials that the dell community puts out that are quite good - http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/en/enterprise_videos_list?c=us&l=en&s=gen | |
| DELL-ScottH | just fire away | |
| DELL-ScottH | we're good at multitasking | |
| tagamet | Great, thanks Scott | |
| DELL-ScottH | @damien .. that get you pointed in the right direction ? | |
| tagamet | I'm using Ita 8.0.0 to manage approx 500 Dell Pe 1850, 1950, 2850s | |
| tagamet | =) multitasking, nice | |
| damien | Absolutely. Thanks for the links. That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. | |
| tagamet | Anyways, on our 1850 and 1950s, they each arrived with 2 power supplies each. | |
| tagamet | In our Dc, they only ran power cables to 1 of the 2 Psus | |
| DELL-ScottH | and anytime you have questions, just post them as threads here and the community at large is very helpful | |
| tagamet | On our 1850 and 1950s, we leave the unwired Psu slightly pulled out | |
| DELL-ScottH | so you have lots of nice yellow lights :-) | |
| tagamet | Now, when I go into Ita, the 1950s all show up with green checkmarks | |
| tagamet | But my 1850s all show red Xs due to the 2nd Psu not being redundant | |
| tagamet | I am desparately seeking a way to *ignore* the red X when it's only due to lack of psu redundancy (we don't do any on these subsection of Dells) | |
| tagamet | How can I do this? | |
| DELL-ScottH | clarification, you want the alert log to stop filling up ? ... Todd is pulling a power supply on one of our 1850's right now ... we might have to take this as homework | |
| tagamet | A little but of correction... I actually meant to say - how can I have my 1850s show up with green icons instead of red xs, when the only reason it has a red x is due to lack of psu redundancy | |
| tagamet | ok np, thanks for asking | |
| DELL-ScottH | ok, Todd pulled a power supply, I'm bringing up my Ita | |
| tagamet | So far, I was able to reconfigure my email alerts to ignore these, and I stopped getting tons of emails due to the psu issues (nice). | |
| tagamet | ok thanks | |
| tagamet | Yeah, for some reason the 1950s don't complain about the issue (ie they still show green icons unless something serious is wrong). But the 1850s almost all show up with red x icons due to the psu redundancy issue | |
| DELL-ScottH | yeah, depends on what the software engineer coded at the time .... I've got it reproduced here .... can't guarentee if it's something that can be fixed , I'll look into it more tonight and tomorrow .. send me an email reminder (scott_hanson@dell.com) | |
| tagamet | Btw, the view that I'm referring to in Ita is the View | Devices | Servers container | |
| DELL-ScottH | Todd had a good idea , how about Y-cords ? | |
| tagamet | ok thanks Scott, Will do | |
| DELL-ScottH | yes, looking at that view right now | |
| tagamet | If I replace them with Y cords, won't they then start consuming twice the power at the rack Pdu level? | |
| tagamet | ok thanks for confirming the view | |
| DELL-ScottH | no | |
| DELL-ScottH | might be a little more, but not twice | |
| tagamet | (our Dc power ops guys did not run dual cords/etc due to power considerations) | |
| tagamet | ic | |
| DELL-ScottH | components will consume the power they need | |
| DELL-KentS | Load is spread across both Power Supplies | |
| tagamet | Ok, I'll put that idea into my hip pocket and discuss with mgmt/dcops | |
| DELL-ScottH | we have a power meter, we can tell you exactly what it will be | |
| tagamet | Ah, did not know that. Thanks! | |
| DELL-ScottH | Todd is hooking up our powermeter right now, we have Y cables, give us a sec | |
| tagamet | Np, your approximation is more than adequate. I can always snake an unused 1850 for an hour of testing from my users | |
| tagamet | oh wow, you guys rock | |
| tagamet | Feels like I'm a participant in Mythbusters or something ::cool | |
| DELL-ScottH | Todd is already behind the racks, he can't hear me yelling at him, so I'll let him have his fun and we'll see what he says | |
| DELL-KentS | Can I blow something up? | |
| tagamet | haha | |
| DELL-ScottH | we need some dummies | |
| DELL-ScottH | ohh wait .... (insert your own punchline) | |
| DELL-ScottH | any other questions from the field ? .. damien, you have enough to get in trouble ? | |
| tagamet | Rofl, present! | |
| DELL-ScottH | Fyi, another resource to get in touch with people that are discussing power and cooling issues is here -- http://www.direct2dell.com/insideit | |
| DELL-ScottH | Marc Farley runs that blog and is on here often | |
| tagamet | Thanks for the link. Checking it out now | |
| DELL-ScottH | Todd hasn't yelled yet, I think he is close to an answer | |
| tagamet | Up until yesterday, I only knew about the main dell.com website docs, and dellcommunity.com. I am totally newbie to delltechcenter <-- looks great! | |
| DELL-ScottH | thanks ! we are trying to draw experts like yourself that know servers/storage/virtualization etc ... tell all your friends. | |
| DELL-ScottH | where else can you get a Dell employee electrocuted for trying to help you ! | |
| tagamet | I am sharing this info now with colleagues of mine in other areas now (1 is down the hall and walking over to see what I'm laughing about) | |
| tagamet | Haha electrocuted | |
| DELL-ScottH | what company are you with ? | |
| tagamet | Orcl | |
| DELL-ScottH | Todd is alive ! | |
| DELL-ToddM | Ok - so the very unoffical results: | |
| tagamet | drumrolll | |
| DELL-ToddM | One power supply - apr 240 Watts | |
| DELL-ToddM | Two power supplies - Ps1 - 145, Ps2 - 137 - | |
| DELL-ScottH | my math says 17% more | |
| DELL-ToddM | for a total of 282 | |
| DELL-ToddM | This is at idle | |
| tagamet | Very interesting -- thanks guys for the really fast turnaround on data | |
| tagamet | ahh, good to know | |
| DELL-ToddM | usual words here about your mileage will vary | |
| DELL-ScottH | ok, I'll dive some more into the Ita red icon, will take a little longer | |
| tagamet | np, tks | |
| DELL-ScottH | on another front , I was using Suu 5.4 today to see what I could do on the Esx servers | |
| DELL-ToddM | But in general two power supplies do not take 2x the power, but do take more than 1 | |
| DELL-ScottH | some blog postings are saying that Suu 5.4 works with Esx 3.5, yes and no ... look on one of the latest threads for my reply to one of the members here | |
| tagamet | Ok, thanks Scott, Todd -- I'll shoot you guys an email for followup. Would be ideal if I could fix this "programatically" | |
| DELL-ScottH | you actually need Sbuu in conjunction with Suu, but you can use the Suu Cli to develop a workaround | |
| DELL-ScottH | I'll have a blog posting on those findings soon ... here's the link to my blog if you're not already following -- http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/systems+edge | |
| DELL-ScottH | any other myths we can bust ? Todd had fun with that one. | |
| DELL-ToddM | Robby - What virtualization platform are you using? Vmware? | |
| DELL-ToddM | I was just going to ask how you are managing your Vms along side your Novell | |
| DELL-ScottH | damien, are you familiar with other systems management platforms ? Or new to the whole realm ? | |
| tagamet | Have you guys seen many problems updating Rac5 firmware from Ita using v5.40 bundle on Windows? I just pushed this bundle to approx 30 servers this Am, and 5% failed on Rac Fw update, exit code 1 | |
| DELL-ScottH | Not sure, my gut feel without knowing more is a setting in the Drac, are they all enabled for virtual media ? | |
| tagamet | yes, they are all enabled for v-media | |
| DELL-ToddM | I found an entry on the dell support forums about the Power Supply Redundancy question with the 1850 here - http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=pc_openmanage&message.id=3658&query.id=93235#m3658 | |
| DELL-ScottH | I haven't updated our Dracs in the lab yet, so maybe I'll run across issues ... if I do I will be sure to blog about it ... you'll probably need to open support issue on it | |
| DELL-ToddM | Net was to filter out the alerts in Ita for this event - as you have already | |
| tagamet | Tood, thank you for that link. Unfortunately, and funny... my userid on that forum is Greenhills. So that was my thread =) | |
| DELL-ScottH | haha I win $20 | |
| tagamet | Haha | |
| DELL-ToddM | Ah ha - I have connected the two identies! | |
| tagamet | Ok, I've already opened a support case w/ Dell for the Rac Fw issue, just wanted to see if you pros had any further suggestions/info. Thanks anyway | |
| DELL-ScottH | it was the butler in the dining room with a pipe | |
| tagamet | <stewievoice> "blast! My cover is blown!" | |
| DELL-ScottH | well if you get a resolution, please post it on the Techcenter so we can all gain the knowledge ... it's about all of us helping each other | |
| tagamet | ok, definitely will do | |
| tagamet | Need to help a colleague with a issue. Brb | |
| DELL-ScottH | ok, well we are about at the end of the hour .. thanks again to everyone for joining, you can always view the transcript of this chat on the web so don't worry about writting down any Urls .... | |
| DELL-ScottH | Todd, what's up for next week ? | |
| DELL-ToddM | We are going to be discussing running enterprise apps on Vmware | |
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| DELL-ToddM | Things like Exchange, Sql Server, Oracle -- You know, Important stuff | |
| DELL-ToddM | I've started a home page for the chat that has some links to background reading - http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/04-15-2008+-+enterprise+apps+on+vmware+-+chat | |
| DELL-ScottH | alright, thanks again, we'll hang out a little longer for any lingering questions ... see you next week | |
| tagamet | Thanks guys. See you at the next chat session | |
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Tagamet, we got an answer back from engineering. The system has to "think" that it only had one power supply to begin with. So are you ready for a little downtime ?
You'll have to completely remove power from the system and power it up with only a single power supply inserted. Then there is no redundancy to "lose". I just tested this on one of our 1850's in the lab. I had removed the 2nd supply, got the red-x and amber light on front of the server. I completely shut it down and removed the power cords, pulled out the 2nd power supply and turned it back on. Now it only has blue light and no errors. If you re-insert the 2nd power supply (without power cord) - it will go into error state and you would have to repeat process all over to return to original state. I think better solution is to do the Y-cables, now that you know it is not a doubling in power, only ~17%. Even though this won't protect you from a power leg failure, you can at least sustain a power supply failure. And you won't have to deal with this workaround, and you could perform the Y-cable upgrade without taking the machines down. What's your userid on the wiki ? Couldn't find you, and this is the only logical place I could think to contact you.
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